Famed ecofeminist Pattrice Jones is well-known for provocative writings and conversations. This chat is with author Justin Gregg, whose new book is called,"If Nietzsche Were a Narwhal: What Animal Intelligence Reveals About Human Stupidity." Observes Gregg, "At first glance, human history is full of remarkable feats of intelligence. We invented writing. Produced incredible achievements in music, the arts, and the sciences. We’ve built sprawling cities and traveled across oceans and expanded to every part of the globe. We’ve even managed to send both robots and humans into space. No other species, as far as we know, has achieved as much as humans have – and it’s what makes Homo Sapiens not only unique but exceptional. But... if intelligence, as we understand it, is all that special, why don’t we see more of it present across the animal kingdom?"

So begins a thought-provoking examination of different kinds of intelligence. We've all heard of emotional intelligence. Well, what about animal intelligence? And, is intelligence really the only thing that matters? Hit play and open your mind, And, if you're in Vermont, visit VINE Sanctuary. Co-founded by Pattrice Jones, it's an LGBTQ-run farmed-animal sanctuary: vinesanctuary.org. Gregg's book is available here: https://amzn.to/3XPA63q